Saturday, April 18, 2009

Y'all don't come back now, y'hear?

So, Texas Governor Rick Perry while speaking as a tea-bagger (snort) mentioned secession. Secession because a fairly elected president who can be voted out in less than four years raised taxes (for 2% of the people, we'll talk about the deficit later).

I have long said the best thing I ever saw in my career with my firm was Texas in the rear view mirror.

Let us know how your Southern Border fares with no Federal Law Enforcement. I can only ask why you couldn't have done it before you foisted W. on us...


Anonymous said...

Gov. Rick Perry, in comments following an anti-tax "tea party", never did advocate Texas breaking away from the United States but rather acknowledged that Texans might at some point get so fed up they would WANT to leave the union. It's my understanding that he was responding to participants who were shouting, "Secede, secede", he wasn't supporting it.

There are vast numbers of Americans in other states that are feeling the same thing and are forming secession groups... Hawaii, Alaska, Oklahoma and Vermont, just to name a few.

I think it is a mistake to (mis)underestimate their disapproval about the 'progressive' path our country is taking.


Dan said...

OK- the fact he had to clarify himself to the local press "wait- I was just saying someone COULD want that!" is a sign of a politician trying to play to the Right, and not get busted for saying seditious things. Whether he supports it or not, his comments still constitute a "threat of succession."

No one talks leaving the union when Republicans are at their worst in the White House- why is that? Are Liberals more willing to use the legal system to fix problems? Instead of just arguing and threatening to take their football and go home, why not use the Demcratic process to try and get something done. I don't want to see the Conservative party go away, but as I have stated before, it is arguing itself into obsolescence. Or at least into weakening the Union.

Anonymous said...

Dan ~ check this out...

There were MASSES of liberals and even MANY liberal celebrities that threatened to LEAVE America if and when GW was re-elected.

And, in 2004, a map you may missed, was spreading around the blogosphere like wildfire:

Obviously, that was based on which states voted for Kerry, and which voted for Bush. It was even heard to be remarked, up in Canada, that should this come to pass, the province of Alberta should join "Jesusland":

One guy even went to the trouble of helping direct Democrat exiles to which parts of Canada they would find most congenial:

Of course, liberal elites were and are quite aware of the continuing march leftward, but for tactical reasons they had to act as if the roof was about to cave in on them. By sounding so alarmist they succeeded in keeping the direction of cultural and political changes on a leftward tack.

So don't tell me this is a "Republican" thing. Of course Liberals use the legal system, but usually to CREATE problems... I give you the ACLU... the most destructive organization to America - above even George Soros and ACORN.

The Republican Party isn't going to disappear, they are going to re-organize and get back to their conservative values as they were originally written in the Constitution. The Republicans need to define the differences... THAT is why the liberals and progressives pretented to be 'moderates' in their campaigns. They can't sell their socialistic poison to the majority of Americans if they are honest about who and what they are and what they want to do to our country.


Dan said...

Ah- but I think they should leave too! Hollywood dipshits who wanted to leave during the Bush administration should have left- get out while the rest of us try to make things better.

This is a diverse nation. The idea of America is diversity. That means working together, and it means finding a middle ground. Conservatism is by definition neither diverse nor inclusive. Going "more Palin" will not get votes for the Republican party, but will instead further promote the intolerance already there. The Republicans want to stop government meddling in the economy? Then Conservative CEOs like Carly Fiorina need to exercise responsibility while running companies like HP into the ground. Republicans want to stop abortion, then provide a viable alternative to pregnant teenagers besides the ridiculous idea they will stop having sex. Republicans want to keep gun control at bay, then promote responsible gun ownership, and promote legislation to make any gun crime a 20 year offense. Republicans want a big strong Army- then stop wasting by implementing half ass plans in Iraq and Afghanistan. Republicans want to present moral authority to the world- then stop promoting torture. Republicans want to worship their way anytime they want- then afford that privilege to everyone.

Yeah, plenty of examples on the Democrat side, I could go off on things like Democrats want to have social programs to help the poor- then encourage job training and placement to get people off welfare responsibly, etc. However, right now, a lot of our nation's ills are the direct result of eight years of Republican rule. They messed up, and acting like it isn't so is not going to bring anyone to their side. Like all Democrats (see my blog entry on Pelosi) they need to take responsibility instead of hiding behind divisive rhetoric. America includes Liberals- hell, the definition of Liberal in the classic political sense means supporting the maximum in individual liberties- any Democracy or Republic is by definition a Liberal government because the power lies with the individual. The Republican party needs to understand America includes Liberals, and currently more than there have ever been. That's the social dynamic one has to work with. Pushing to Conservative extremes will marginalize and separate the Conservatives out of the decision making process, just as it did for Liberals in the early 2000s under Bush! He then went unchecked, and created this mess. Learn from the Democrat mistakes from early this century. You can further your agenda a lot more by working with Liberals to find a middle ground than by making yourself a useless minority party who refuses to play.

You may not like the idea Liberals are in charge, but it's America, and everyone gets a chance. That's how Democracy works- don't forfeit your rights in that system by taking your football and going home.

Anonymous said...

Here comes a rant...
Dan ~ I so totally disagree with your take on reality that I don't even know where to start. I'm just shaking my head at your attempt to be a 'moderate' while always taking the liberal view of every issue. I'm starting to get it... you're just like 90% of all other liberals... you can't admit your bias is leftist and your dislike of all things Republican or conservative is skewed. Just admit that you are a leftist and stop pretending to be tolerant and intellectual in looking at issues. It's quite obvious to me that you are intelligent, but for some reason, you are deluded if you think you are 'middle ground.' The modern definition of a moderate translates to be 'liberal lite' and that, my friend, does not describe your views.
I am a conservative and your definition of one is not correct. Besides, liberals don't get to define me. I already know what I stand for and what I strongly believe and it most certainly IS defined by diversity and inclusiveness. THAT is why our country has been able to move so far to the left in the past 40 years... because conservatives have been silent and allowed diversity, multiculturalism, illegal immigration, compromise and political correctness to take hold instead of standing firm on our values or fighting for our beliefs. Believe it or not, not all conservatives are uneducated, redneck dolts. We DID allow everyone a voice, we DID allow alternative opinions and views. We didn't strong arm anyone. We have been complacent in protecting our turf... families, our churches, the values of our youth. We gave it all over to the 'progressives' who want to destroy everything good we believe in. We allowed them to infiltrate and take over our education systems, our media and our politics. We allowed them to indoctrinate our kids. Christians are NOT the ones who won't allow anyone to worship as they want ~ What bullshit! Liberals and Progressives don't want US to practice OUR long-held beliefs! Where's their tolerance in allowing us to pray when we want? Where is their tolerance in banning our kids from wearing a cross necklace to school, but allowing Muslim scarves? Good grief ~ I could go on and on. Liberals are the ones who don't want to allow us to homeschool our kids and NOW they are trying to convince everyone that if we take them to Sunday School, it's child abuse.
Tolerance? Show me ANY from the progressives. The first thing they did when they got the political power (in 2006!) was disenfranchise conservatives and Republicans (not always one and the same) in every arena.
Compromise? That's why the massive so-called stimulus package passed without a single Republican vote? Don't try to tell me Specter, Snowe or Collins are/were conservatives OR Republicans! Can you say, "RINO"? Compromise to a Democrat means the Republican gives in! Why don't you ever suggest that the far lefties move to the center? Because they don't have to ~ the line has been moved so far over, the right side used to be the left! JFK would be a Republican if her were alive today! Democrats don't want compromise, they want mandates!
Moving on, Republicans should not have to lobby to protect gun rights... it is our CONSTITUTIONAL right! It's the liberals that are trying to change the rules. Constantly. They never give up. They lie and manipulate and scheme and come back over and over and over - hammering at the foundations that make this country strong. Responsible gun owners have repeatedly tried to get gun education into schools, but the lily livered libs can't trust anyone with personal responsibility. They need the government to protect them. Waaah, waaah, waaah!
We can't have guns, we can't have Christian religious beliefs, we can't have free speech, we can't have successful people - and God forbid we have rich folks! Stupid idiots! (Oops ~ we can't say GOD - can't say rich, can't say stupid. We don't want to OFFEND ANYONE.) Grrrrrrr.
OK ~ you say 'Republicans' promote Torture? Have you been watching the news this week? PELOSI and her Democrat cronies promoted and allowed torture!! Worse, they are LIARS and hypocrites when called on it. They have gotten pass after pass because the media is in cahoots with them and won't expose their wrong-doing. The double standard is stunning. Even now they are circling the wagons around that Biatch Pelosi instead of kicking her wrinkly ass to the curb! Yeah, that's the kind of tolerance we need... cover for lying incompetents and allow them to change our country because they know better than us. PUKE.
BTW, Dan, the Democrats and Obama are not simply 'meddling in the economy', they are DESTROYING it! The Federal Reserve keeps printing money from thin air and Obama and his co-horts keep spending like Imelda Marcos on shoes and NOW he goes out and makes conservative speeches (maybe someone slipped the wrong script into his teleprompter?) on how we can't sustain this spending and massive tax increases are on the way! THAT was their plan all along. He LIED to us from the beginning. Even dumb Redneck Joe the Plumber could see through that one.
How Obama can say we need to stop spending and continue to push nationalized health care and amnesty for illegal immigrants, two of the most expensive endeavors ever, at the same time is beyond a thinking person's comprehension. It's an AGENDA. Damn the cost, all those things have to come together. It's about POWER and CONTROL of the American people. WAKE UP! Their scorch the earth philosophy is soooo obvious!
BTW ~ I'm sick and tired of the terms 'thinking person' and 'working class'. What the hell does that mean anyway? Elitist bastards!
Alright... deep breath.
Regarding Republican Responsibility...
From Wiki:
In 2008, three years after Fiorina left HP, the New York Times wrote that "the bid for EDS shows yet again that [Fiorina] had the right strategy" and that "after eight years, HP has come around to her thinking."

The company faltered after she left because they DIDN'T follow her plans. SHE didn't run HP into the ground.. Fiorina was succeeded, on an interim basis, by Patty Dunn as chairman, and then-chief financial officer Robert Wayman as acting chief executive.While the company's stock jumped on news of Fiorina's departure, both Dunn and Wayman were later implicated in a criminal spying scandal that exposed significant rifts among directors, undermined integrity in the board, and stemmed from the leaking of confidential documents and information by directors. So... maybe THAT contributed to HP's problems much more than Fiorina's actions!
Wiki: Fiorina's defenders, and even some critics, credit her with laying the foundations for success at the company. In 2009, the Associated Press wrote: [Fiorina's] biggest achievement at HP -- pushing through the hugely controversial $24 billion acquisition of Compaq Computer, a deal bitterly opposed by descendants of HP's founders -- was a source of strife at the time. But it wound up being a shrewd decision that paid off after she was forced out in 2005.
Again, Dan, I'm wondering if you are getting all of your take from pure liberal sources. The media had a field day in twisting the knife in Fiorina's back precisely because she is a conservative, not because she was responsible for a company failing. The facts show she was right!
Here are a few more facts for ya...

DJIA Before Dems took over Congress (12/29/2006). ..12,463

DJIA Today...

Unemployment before Dems took over Congress...4.4% (Dec 2006).
Unemployment now...8.1 %

So with Bush President and Republicans in charge the Dow went from 10,587 to 12,463. Once the Dems took over it went from 12,463 down to 8,268.64. Under President Bush and a Republican Congress, unemployment was basically stable. Under a Democratic Congress, it went from 4.4% has almost doubled... the worst number in 25 years.

Consumer Confidence
Then: 110.3
Now: 21.9 in March of 2009

How can anyone possibly blame all of that on Bush? Think!

Democrats don't want to help the poor. They want to keep their power over the poor by keeping them down. The MYTH that liberals care more about the poor may scratch a partisan or ideological itch, but the facts are hostile witnesses.

Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly LESS charitable than conservatives.
If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:
-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).
-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.
-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.
-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.
-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.
-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government.

So, next, in response to your comment that, "Pushing to Conservative extremes will marginalize and separate the Conservatives out of the decision making process, just as it did for Liberals in the early 2000s under Bush! He then went unchecked, and created this mess. Learn from the Democrat mistakes from early this century. You can further your agenda a lot more by working with Liberals to find a middle ground than by making yourself a useless minority party who refuses to play." I would MUCH rather push to a conservative extreme than towards a wacko liberal one and it truly IS the far-left that is controlling the Democrat Party today. They pretended to be more moderate than they really are, again, because they LIE, and I believe and have said before, they KNOW the American people would not swallow their crap if they were honest about who and what they are. They aren't playing a game, they are fighting a war and the sooner the Republicans wake up and realize they need to arm themselves for the battle and participate in fighting for themselves, the better we have a chance of saving our country. We may have more liberals in our society than ever before because we have been lax in educating our youth as to what the differences are. We need to define ourselves, not recreate ourselves as Dems-lite. I absolutely refuse to give up who I am to appease the loudest crowd. They libs don't want to go along to get along, they want to WIN. So do I. I have no intention of forfeiting anything to my opponents. Compromise is a settlement of differences by yielding up what you believe and know is right and allowing certain things which you know are wrong, so as to allow some settlement to make a combination possible. And I don't intend to yield any of what I KNOW is right.

Anonymous said...

Dan ~ I'm in a better mood today. Can I delete my previous post?


Just kidding. But I do want to apologize for writing a rant... esp. when I was ticked off about something else and needed a good de-steaming.

I would still probably say basically the same things, just not so angrily. I wish I was better at articulating things cleaner and simpler. I just read Mark Levin's new book "Liberty and Tyranny... a conservative manifesto" and was amazed at how easy and clearly he stated his thoughts.

He writes exactly what I am thinking and does it concisely. So, I would recommend that you take a couple of hours and read it if you can. Maybe then you would understand where I, and other conservatives are coming from better.

Thanks for providing this forum.


Anonymous said...

BTW ~ Unfortunately, I read Mark Levin's book AFTER I wrote that rant. lol

I need to get better at just reciting 'talking points' or something.